MontanaBlack became one of the biggest streamers worldwide with gambling, but is now leaving that – probably for legal reasons:
Casino ban halves channels of German Twitch streamers
What was the result? In Germany, the result was that the channels of the casino streamers suffered significantly:
- orangemorange lost almost 45% of his viewed hours in 90 days: The channel has practically halved.
- Scurrows lost 36% of his average viewers and 57% of his viewed hours.
In the USA, top casino hero Trainwreck was hit even harder: He lost 73% of his viewer hours. At casino patriarch ROSHTEIN, as much as 95% of the viewed hours were gone.
It should be noted that after the Stake ban and without the Stake deal, all streamers streamed significantly less than before. It was likely just not as lucrative anymore.
Stake and Trainwreck are building their own Twitch competitor Kick
What are Twitch streamers doing now? “Stake” is more or less building its own streaming platform, Kick, and has invited streamers to come to them.
It is officially said that “streamers have come together to create Kick”, apparently mainly Trainwreck, but it seems quite clear that behind Kick is actually the casino Stake or at least it is the driving force.
It looks quite like “Kick” was primarily created in reaction to Twitch’s ban of “Stake”. Casino streamers had already hinted after the ban that this does not hit them hard and they will soon have alternatives.
First, US streamer Trainwreck has set out to promote the platform. He highlights what great conditions streamers get there and how bad and suppressive Twitch actually is.
German streamers follow Trainwreck’s example
What are the German streamers doing? They are once again copying the US streamer. orangemorange officially announced yesterday, on January 3rd, that he is switching to Kick.com and will stream Stake there again. Just like Scurrows.
The streamers talk about “good karma” and a “life-changing announcement.”
What are the Twitch streamers saying? For Scurrows, it is completely okay to stream on Kick, though they get “support from a casino” – but Twitch is also supported by Amazon and they are much worse.
Scurrows demonstrates the so-called “whataboutism” here: It may indeed be the case that what I am doing is bad – but what about a completely different, much worse thing that is not related?
orangemorange said on Twitter that he experienced “good karma”. However, what he exactly did to deserve the “good karma” seems questionable. The “good karma” also struck immediately: Twitch was down when he wanted to make the announcement.
German Twitch streamer boasts to old enemy with his money: “Hope you’re enjoying shift work”
The streamers talk about “good karma” and a “life-changing announcement.”
What are the Twitch streamers saying? For Scurrows, it is completely okay to stream on Kick, though they get “support from a casino” – but Twitch is also supported by Amazon and they are much worse.
Scurrows demonstrates the so-called “whataboutism” here: It may indeed be the case that what I am doing is bad – but what about a completely different, much worse thing that is not related?
orangemorange said on Twitter that he experienced “good karma”. However, what he exactly did to deserve the “good karma” seems questionable. The “good karma” also struck immediately: Twitch was down when he wanted to make the announcement.
German Twitch streamer boasts to old enemy with his money: “Hope you’re enjoying shift work”
MontanaBlack became one of the biggest streamers worldwide with gambling, but is now leaving that – probably for legal reasons:
Casino ban halves channels of German Twitch streamers
What was the result? In Germany, the result was that the channels of the casino streamers suffered significantly:
- orangemorange lost almost 45% of his viewed hours in 90 days: The channel has practically halved.
- Scurrows lost 36% of his average viewers and 57% of his viewed hours.
In the USA, top casino hero Trainwreck was hit even harder: He lost 73% of his viewer hours. At casino patriarch ROSHTEIN, as much as 95% of the viewed hours were gone.
It should be noted that after the Stake ban and without the Stake deal, all streamers streamed significantly less than before. It was likely just not as lucrative anymore.
Stake and Trainwreck are building their own Twitch competitor Kick
What are Twitch streamers doing now? “Stake” is more or less building its own streaming platform, Kick, and has invited streamers to come to them.
It is officially said that “streamers have come together to create Kick”, apparently mainly Trainwreck, but it seems quite clear that behind Kick is actually the casino Stake or at least it is the driving force.
It looks quite like “Kick” was primarily created in reaction to Twitch’s ban of “Stake”. Casino streamers had already hinted after the ban that this does not hit them hard and they will soon have alternatives.
First, US streamer Trainwreck has set out to promote the platform. He highlights what great conditions streamers get there and how bad and suppressive Twitch actually is.
German streamers follow Trainwreck’s example
What are the German streamers doing? They are once again copying the US streamer. orangemorange officially announced yesterday, on January 3rd, that he is switching to Kick.com and will stream Stake there again. Just like Scurrows.
The streamers talk about “good karma” and a “life-changing announcement.”
What are the Twitch streamers saying? For Scurrows, it is completely okay to stream on Kick, though they get “support from a casino” – but Twitch is also supported by Amazon and they are much worse.
Scurrows demonstrates the so-called “whataboutism” here: It may indeed be the case that what I am doing is bad – but what about a completely different, much worse thing that is not related?
orangemorange said on Twitter that he experienced “good karma”. However, what he exactly did to deserve the “good karma” seems questionable. The “good karma” also struck immediately: Twitch was down when he wanted to make the announcement.
German Twitch streamer boasts to old enemy with his money: “Hope you’re enjoying shift work”
The German casino streamers orangemorange and Scurrows had to swim briefly when Twitch banned them from “their online casino” Stake: Their channels have halved. Now they are handling it just like the big Twitch streamers from the USA do: They are switching to a new Twitch competitor. They talk about “good karma” and “life-changing announcements.“ However, at the announcement time, Twitch was down – not good karma.
What’s the deal with Stake? The online casino “Stake” was for some Twitch streamers like a golden goose or a “deal with the devil” for about a year and a half, depending on your perspective.
The deal was apparently:
- The streamers advertise for the casino, show in their streams how they play for huge sums, and entice the viewers to gamble there as well. They like to warn their viewers about how dangerous it actually is and that they should not try this at home.
- The losses their viewers incur are real and really hurt them. Some have been driven to bankruptcy by gambling addiction.
- The streamers themselves, however, are apparently paid handsomely for their advertising. The US streamer Trainwreck spoke of $360 million that he received in 16 months. The German streamers Scurrows and orangemorange won’t get as much, but they will likely be well compensated, as MontanaBlack explained in a live stream.
After protests, Twitch bans the casino Stake
Why aren’t they streaming on Twitch anymore? There has been a lot of stress around these online casinos:
- In Germany, this led to a fight at gamescom when Tanzverbot informed the streamers Scurrows and orangemorange of his opinion on their gambling advertisements.
- In the USA, notable streamers like Asmongold, Pokimane, and Mizkif complained about the gambling. Mizkif indirectly lost his career because the attacked top gambler Trainwreck hit back.
After repeated complaints that the gambling streamers were enticing their viewers to gamble, Twitch expressly banned the casino “Stake”.
The streamers talk about “good karma” and a “life-changing announcement.”
What are the Twitch streamers saying? For Scurrows, it is completely okay to stream on Kick, though they get “support from a casino” – but Twitch is also supported by Amazon and they are much worse.
Scurrows demonstrates the so-called “whataboutism” here: It may indeed be the case that what I am doing is bad – but what about a completely different, much worse thing that is not related?
orangemorange said on Twitter that he experienced “good karma”. However, what he exactly did to deserve the “good karma” seems questionable. The “good karma” also struck immediately: Twitch was down when he wanted to make the announcement.
German Twitch streamer boasts to old enemy with his money: “Hope you’re enjoying shift work”
The streamers talk about “good karma” and a “life-changing announcement.”
What are the Twitch streamers saying? For Scurrows, it is completely okay to stream on Kick, though they get “support from a casino” – but Twitch is also supported by Amazon and they are much worse.
Scurrows demonstrates the so-called “whataboutism” here: It may indeed be the case that what I am doing is bad – but what about a completely different, much worse thing that is not related?
orangemorange said on Twitter that he experienced “good karma”. However, what he exactly did to deserve the “good karma” seems questionable. The “good karma” also struck immediately: Twitch was down when he wanted to make the announcement.
German Twitch streamer boasts to old enemy with his money: “Hope you’re enjoying shift work”
MontanaBlack became one of the biggest streamers worldwide with gambling, but is now leaving that – probably for legal reasons:
Casino ban halves channels of German Twitch streamers
What was the result? In Germany, the result was that the channels of the casino streamers suffered significantly:
- orangemorange lost almost 45% of his viewed hours in 90 days: The channel has practically halved.
- Scurrows lost 36% of his average viewers and 57% of his viewed hours.
In the USA, top casino hero Trainwreck was hit even harder: He lost 73% of his viewer hours. At casino patriarch ROSHTEIN, as much as 95% of the viewed hours were gone.
It should be noted that after the Stake ban and without the Stake deal, all streamers streamed significantly less than before. It was likely just not as lucrative anymore.
Stake and Trainwreck are building their own Twitch competitor Kick
What are Twitch streamers doing now? “Stake” is more or less building its own streaming platform, Kick, and has invited streamers to come to them.
It is officially said that “streamers have come together to create Kick”, apparently mainly Trainwreck, but it seems quite clear that behind Kick is actually the casino Stake or at least it is the driving force.
It looks quite like “Kick” was primarily created in reaction to Twitch’s ban of “Stake”. Casino streamers had already hinted after the ban that this does not hit them hard and they will soon have alternatives.
First, US streamer Trainwreck has set out to promote the platform. He highlights what great conditions streamers get there and how bad and suppressive Twitch actually is.
German streamers follow Trainwreck’s example
What are the German streamers doing? They are once again copying the US streamer. orangemorange officially announced yesterday, on January 3rd, that he is switching to Kick.com and will stream Stake there again. Just like Scurrows.
The streamers talk about “good karma” and a “life-changing announcement.”
What are the Twitch streamers saying? For Scurrows, it is completely okay to stream on Kick, though they get “support from a casino” – but Twitch is also supported by Amazon and they are much worse.
Scurrows demonstrates the so-called “whataboutism” here: It may indeed be the case that what I am doing is bad – but what about a completely different, much worse thing that is not related?
orangemorange said on Twitter that he experienced “good karma”. However, what he exactly did to deserve the “good karma” seems questionable. The “good karma” also struck immediately: Twitch was down when he wanted to make the announcement.
German Twitch streamer boasts to old enemy with his money: “Hope you’re enjoying shift work”
